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Old January 8th, 2007, 05:34 PM   #1
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Default [Sex+Porn] Difference between alt and mainstream porn + Vegetarian cum

Here's a film from some porn film where the actor is discussing the taste of cum, and she doesn't seem to agree with the wide known theory that vegetarian cum is supposed to taste better...

Vegetarian Cum @ Pornotube (1 min 38 sec)

Or if it's not available on the site above:
http://sexradikal.nu/vegetariancum.wmv

Myself I've never tasted a meat eater's, so I can't really say...
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Old January 9th, 2007, 03:56 PM   #2
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I now found out that the film is "Down the Hatch 16" and the actor is called Mia Banggs. So now you know where to do a home demo...

By the way, thought it could be interesting to see what other people who are into alt porn looks at more mainstream porn. Do you regard it as a big difference, is it taboo to enjoy mainstream porn, and what is alt porn actors relationship to mainstream porn actors etc?

Besides the common thing that has been taken up, regarding that being subcultural doesn't necessarely mean that you are alternative, or that you have to be subcultural to be alternative - I think some stuff can be interesting to discuss:

One thing is if mixing politics in sex makes things inhibited? I don't think I would discuss all of my fantasies with people who I know through more political arenas, but more likely if there isn't a political correct atmosphere, and just a liberal and free (but still just) view on sex etc.

So sometimes I also think that people who are into politics (including myself) might have a overrated view on what it means to have read certain kind of books etc, and I think that common people might as well just treat each other well, but maybe are not into the theories in the same way... And could it also be a social class thing, that middle class are more (sub) cultural and more into politics, compared to working class who are maybe more mainstream and not so interested in politics?

And also, some criticism against alt porn, is that it sometimes sets up new norms on what kind of sex is ok and not. And more often, it means a less liberal view on rough sex etc, and sometimes alt porn is not any more nakedness etc than going to the beach on a summer day is... (but again, I guess I myself am also "responsible" for the things I criticise, for instance being kind of modest in the way I expose myself sexually...) Of course, the mainstream porn has a lot of stuff that makes it suitable to be criticised for being sexist - for instance there are few women who orgasm, and lots of men who cums in the face of the woman (in heteroporn), which is not how most women wants it. But still, I think it can be problematic to criticise this kind of aspects, since there of course are both women and men and others who enjoy having cum shots in their faces etc.

So is it then the way the porn is made that is the big difference between alt porn and mainstream porn? But sometimes, the arguments against the porn industry, for using drugged actors etc, seems not to be very true anymore - at least not for stuff made in US and the rest of the western world. And I also think the porn industry have had to follow rules very strict, not to be punished in different ways, is this correct? Or is there reports in US, where most porn comes from, regarding abuse against actors etc? Or is the main criticism mostly that the actors don't really appriciate everything they do, but do it anyway to get money? I read a book focusing on the Swedish porn industry lately, and it interviewed porn actors, who said the most problematic things were in fact people who had something against porn, and for instance put up the covers of the porn films they had participated in on their work etc.

Lately, I've also gotten in contact with more and more debaters, who have discussed porn from a sex radical feminist perspective, who have defended more rough porn as well - and for instance have said that interviewed women have said that they might as well identify with the guy ion the film, and I've also talked to several guys who identifies with the women in films. I've seen this from a couple of Swedish debaters, but how is the situation in other countries?
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Old January 9th, 2007, 05:33 PM   #3
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I think for alot of people the problem isn't so much the treatment of the models in mainstream porn, but instead the way in which it is generally highly objectifying the women involved, and by extention women in general. This is not just in the material itself but also in the language around it as well, on websites and so forth. Also it is very much serving a certain kind of male-oriantated fantasy, in which women are large breasted, perfectly shaved nymphomaniacs that are gagging to be fucked, or sweet, perfectly shaved teenagers who, with an amount of persuasion (which, of course, is perfectly acceptable in this perticular world) love sex more than anything. Some say this is harmless fantasy, and while I'm not one to say that porn is directly responsible for rape and so forth, it does contribute to a culture of mysogeny, where the ideal for women is that which is in this imagery. Not to mention the language used in the portraial of these women contributes to a "virgin/whore" complex in both socitety and individuals.

Anyway, hope that made sense, I'm off to bed

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Old January 9th, 2007, 06:11 PM   #4
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Here's a film from some porn film where the actor is discussing the taste of cum, and she doesn't seem to agree with the wide known theory that vegetarian cum is supposed to taste better...

Vegetarian Cum @ Pornotube (1 min 38 sec)

Myself I've never tasted a meat eater's, so I can't really say...

After extensive scientific research, I feel confident in stating that vegans taste better...
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Old January 9th, 2007, 07:20 PM   #5
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Personally, I havn't conducted extensive research; but in my limited experience, vegetarians taste AND smell better. Not just between the legs, but overall!
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Old January 11th, 2007, 05:12 PM   #6
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I think for alot of people the problem isn't so much the treatment of the models in mainstream porn, but instead the way in which it is generally highly objectifying the women involved, and by extention women in general.

Yes, I can agree but I have some other thoughts as well. First, I've also reacted negative towards the kind of porn that portrays the sex as not consensual (although I know this can be a role play I'm still sceptical), and also the descriptions of the women who are portrayed in some porn etc.

But at the same time, I have some difficulty in seeing the difference between mainstream hardcore porn, and more "accepted" bdsm porn. I think the idea with submission and dominance etc, is not about the attributes like whips or being in a special kind of cellar, or having to call the dominant part "master" - but that it could as well be submission in the kind of "sex slave" that the passive part is in most mainstream hardcore porn (although the thing with being a sex slave isn't outspoken there in the same way), being called a slut and taking care of several dominant/active participants or whatever.

And also, as I wrote earlier, with a kind of queer perspective, there is nothing that says that you have to exactly copy the way the gender roles are portrayed in this kind of porn. I understand if many people have problems with that it mostly is the women who are the "sluts"/"sex slaves" etc, but in lack of better stuff, there seems to be a chance for the viewers to choose for themselves who in the films they identifie with, no matter what sex/gender that person has...
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Old February 20th, 2007, 09:39 PM   #7
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As to the clip:

First, I can't help but laugh when the man interviewing the model says fillet mignon and pronouces it like miG-non. I'm vegan and I can still prounce all those fancy meaty words like foie gras and escargot. A diet of healthy food, especially one including a lot of fruit, is universally recognized in the adult industry as the secret to better-tasting secretions, especially pineapple. I know that model is off her mark when she says that asparagus-tainted jizz is yummy but people who eat nothing but fruits and veg taste horrible. But, I shouldn't overanalyze, as for all I know, she was just trying to say things she thought the audience wanted to hear.

As to my thoughts on mainstream porn:

Aside form any concerns about the ethics of how something was produced, I honestly find most mainsteam porn extremely dull and anti-sexual. I don't like the formulaic fucking, the cheesy token pussy-eating, the tacky sets trying to look "classy", the awkward plot that has been shoe-horned into the action, the generic look of the talent, and the dangerous/gross/panful-factor behind seeing stuff like ass-to-mouth fucking, anal creampies, dry-fucking, or weird positions that no one actually has sex in. It just doesn't turn me on.

As for "alt porn":

Although I use the label "alt porn" to describe this site sometimes, I don't really like the label or the niche in general. Sam Sugar of SugarBank.com writes about alt porn sometimes, and I love his incisive snarky comments on the matter. One of which went something like, "Alternative porn is a rebelion against mainstream porn if you think that 'the man' can be taken down by getting tattoos." Alt/goth/punk porn, for the most part, is like an immature teen rebelion against one's parents. "Take that, motherfuckers! We defy your standards by getting our tongues pierced!" It's laughable. I think the real new horizon that good pornographers should be working on is getting away from mainstream beauty and heteronormative standards of sexuality, not just putting on different makeup and hairdye. A suppose it's the old thing about reform versus revolution, if I can be pretentious for a moment and use such grand terms to describe masturbatory fodder.

As for rough porn and BDSM:

I myself like elements of power exchange / verbal degradation / rough fucking / domination in my own sex life and erotica, but I'm really fussy about it. I couldn't get turned on by something where I didn't truly feel satisfied by the ethical standards of the production company. I wouldn't ever watch a violent porn movie made by someone I didn't know, because at least a few of the women who've performed in them have had bad experiences. But, the written erotic stories that get me going the most are ones with elements of domination, though not in the context of BDSM. (Psychological domination, from both ends, turns me on so much more than whips and boots and ball gags and all that external stuff.)

As for regulations in US-based porn to protect performers:

There really aren't any. The closest thing is performers getting HIV, chlamydia, gonorrhea tests every 30 days. The porn industry talks a lot about HIV, but never anything else. 1:5 adults has gential herpes, at least 1:4 have been exposed to HPV, and syphilis has been making a comeback. The best protection that performers really have right now is the ability to network with one another and check out a pornographer before agreeing to a shoot. There's always talk floating around about a porn star union or some other form of worker-organized system to demand basics like health care, but nothing ever materializes.

All in all though, I don't believe the mainstream porn industry is nearly as exploitative to performers as many outsiders think it is. You'll have the small minority of performers who are very vocal about loving their work ona sex-positive level, a small minority of performers who feel unhappy after they leave, but the majority are people just doing their jobs.
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Old July 24th, 2007, 12:56 AM   #8
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Vegetarian Cum @ Pornotube (1 min 38 sec)

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http://sexradikal.nu/vegetariancum.wmv

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